k hagge ur letting me down :/

hwhehe

2ND COMMENT!@!!!@!!1111111

Btw this dm6 is the Webster Dictionary definition of "choke"

2 lucky telefrags destroyed all the positional advantage that para is so skillfull at building up (despite the original spawn)..

After that, xAmp just made sure to have more armor than para... Easier said than done, so this is definitely earned.

Since you mentioned Webster Dictionary, phil, I'll tell you what I think this is a dictionary for:

1. Being so lucky with those 2 telefrags.
2. Being kinda lucky, because many many times xAmp ended a confrontation with a 1 digit number of health (say, < 10).. And although Para had some of those occations as well, xAmp had more, and it was less acceptable for him to let that happen anyways, as he had RA all the time.
3. This is definitely a Webster definition of "How To Camp At RA Once You Get An Advantage". You might want to be there every 30 secs when RA spawns, if you get control.. but just standing there all the time? What a f@gg*t-like playing style..
4. Lame, very lame final minute.. Puh-lease!

xAmp has a long way to go before he turns into a real QW player, like ParadokS is, for example.

champ fuckin owned him, sorry k? B<

just admit that.


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xAmp definitely has experience. Duel wise, perhaps not as much as para, which may in itself be the single surprise of the series. xAmp was coming in this match having established himself as a para-backbreaker and a shaft-whore.

Shaft whores invariably have "gay" playing style (or lack thereof). However, shaft whores do not become shaft whores just because they wanted to. They just depend on that weapon more, just like some people train on midair.

Anyways.... These games were very very weird to watch :)

"xAmp has a long way to go before he turns into a real QW player, like ParadokS is, for example."

It's plainly obvious that for the current standard of duel play, both players are very good on the maps they're comfortable with.

The DM6 game was interesting especially because it showed that it isn't impossible to win against Para with a little bit of luck and then when in control, by forcing him to play in such a way that he can't make use of his natural playing style.

Also, I'd say xAmp had the edge regardless of his percieved inexperience because he specifically played to win by using an off the rails tactical style with back to the wall fighting skills. It's very difficult to play against that style but it's also very difficult to maintain it so all credit to xAmp, his wins were definately hard earned.

Have you got any demos you could post Ken? I'm interested in seeing the playing style you use.

champ is a weak pathetic faggot

teach ME how to be a lame camping shaft reliant retard PLEASE~~!!!!!!

Sorry str, no demos from me.. I'm far from where every QWer lives, and on a miserable modem.. All I can do is play the frogbots.. :/

lol, ur on modem and wont play because of 200 ping ? lol, you disgust me.

some of Ken's demos http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~sda/mkt.pl?player:ken

(Hope you don't mind me pluggin SDA, Ken :D)

Haven't watched any speed demos before but I'll be sure to check some out later today. :)

Phil: wtf are you doing? :) .. That's RQ, these people don't watch that. But any of my current SDA records should be an example of my playing, yeah.. but I seriously believe str asked for DM demos, not singleplayer. :/

Oh and mixu... Coincidentially, I sent some pings to a server in .se and one in .fi earlier tonight.. and I got average of 316ms on .fi, and about 295ms in .se... And I even asked a friend with adsl (not too fast adsl) and all he could get was 212ms average in .se .. My ping is more like 300.. It disgusts you? F*ck off! It's completely unplayable! I sometimes join FFA servers and I get fragged so much it aint even funny. :)

hehehe. you know that u dont have to take this shit too seriously? :) This is my 1. real duel tournament and thought that i last round or two, but now im in the finals. I dont care what is ken or someone else dork thingking about me or my playing style. I think that only thing what mattters in duels is the winner. There can be only 1 winner and this game it was me. I admit that i had a tiny luck with me but that is part of quake. Ken keep on seaching the live is out there.

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Well, at first I used to think that way as well.. All that matters is the winner, no matter what techniques are used, if you have more frags than the other guy, you won, period. But that, to a certain point, doesn't really show skillz. :/

It's just a spectator point of view.. I'm sure if I were playing, and I CS'ed a lot or something, I would probably try to convince myself that what I'm doing is right! But the people who watches the demos... They wont like it, they'll hate it. It's much cooler to try and take your opponent the hard way. If everyone would camp n stuff, there would be no matches with finishing scores of 50-0 and stuff.. And those are cool.

But seriously.. no offense or anything.. You need to learn some... gentlemanship.. or something. I know Quake is a game and all (not for everyone I bet, heh), but doing that "lemme get some coke" after you'rw down like 22-0 with a minute left.. That wasn't cool. :|

Well i was thirsty, had no change anymore on that map, paradock would have whined if would have go get some coce before to next map. I didnt know that this is lame :)
a humble apology from me :<

please teach me your english

Congrats Champ, well played, i laughed my way through these demos, mostly because the small margins in hp's during and after fights, but as said before: the winner is always the winner. So if you loose it means that you wasn't good enough. And how you win has nothing to do with it. As long as you follow the rules. A win is a win is a win.

"And how you win has nothing to do with it. As long as you follow the rules."

rules of the tourney, of sportmanship, of what? Not sure what you intend by this statament, Bugsy.

as for "how" you win or lose, I have to agree that it does matter how you play. i remember a dm2 game back aout 3 or 4 years ago (at the tgi i think?)where the uk player timber just hid up in the dm2 rafters for a while. puissy tactics taken that extent are lame and should be frowned upon. of course this does not break any tourney rule, though perhaps you'd say it is poor sportmanship, but at bottom it is really only the frown and disrespect of the qw community that stops such pussy tactics from occuring.

That said xamp did nothing lameass like timber did. his style is conservative and is not exciting to watch compared to grffn, para, mrlame or fifi. but it is not lame. what xamp would do well to stop doing is to flood his be smiley as that just irritates most people and comes across as disrepectful. it is easy to be disrepectful in a competitive environment, but as we all know, the strong, honorable man tries do what is hard and challenging, not what is easy; only the weak do what is easy. I think xamp probably didn't realize his smiley gave others that impression. I think being reliant on the shaft owns!!!! Can you say Columbo??? xamp has a shaft as effective as his was. and that is a very big compliment indeed:)

Except Columbo didn't exactly win.. Of course that means nothing, simply being *invited* to TGI meant you were elite, and besides afaik he did pretty good anyway.

But here we got a "Columbo" actually beating the equivalent of a "Kane" or "Lakerman"... It's WEIRD!

oops meant to find kane on the search thingy
heard of lakerman but not him.. hehe time to look for some demos then =)

i think he was 4th phil. impressive finish considering the talent that was there. the only thing close to the tgi would be some of the qw qhlans in recent years.

I don't enjoy watching champ demos, it's utterly boring. But what the heck, he plays the best he can and he obviously is very successful at that, he obeys the rules and doesn't moan at anything (unlike Paradoks who after the game said he can't play people with that gay style).

Champ is a teamplayer, no dueller. I find it sad that none of the "real" duellers, with all the leet tactics, the shocking movement skillz0rs, the unscripted turbomoves has managed to beat Champ in the tourney (except Milton). But is it Champ's fault that everyone else in the tournament is worse than him? Certainly not. Stop whining, this tournament isn't to entertain the stupid demo watchers but to find out who the best PLAYER is. Player, not poser.

ok this demo is 2ez4tv k , i think paradoks had to find out the xamp was redefining ez the hard way k

Let?s not forget cottelan, xhrl =B-)
Btw, I don?t find xamp?s playing-style very entertaining either, but still he is successful in duelmania because of his non-aggressive style and a killershaft to rely on.
I think he?s made a great job getting all the way to the finals, and wish him and milton all the good luck in the finals.
Maybe it?s what duelmania is all about, seeing some "new" faces advancing in the tourney, sometimes all the way to the finals like here.
At least I think so.

ApoK

We also had those faceoff tourneys here in the States, and of course the CPL4Year...

Theres been tons of duel tourneys, hell duelmania is one of them, but nothing global like TGI :( :(

xamp for king $$$$$

How about a new DMM mode for spectator friendly duels? :)

I suggest removing the health and armor from the map leaving only the weapons and ammo. Add in more spawn points with a new duel spawn selection system to make it easier to get a decent weapon. Make the damage you take from your own shots 50% less than it is currently so that the speed and positional rj'rs can still do their thing. The LG should be tweaked (since it'll be too powerful and likely would become a dominating defensive factor) so make it fire 20 times a second instead of 10 (resulting in more accurate feedback making it more usable for the majority) but it's damage should be reduced so instead of 10/sec with 30 damage per shot make it 20/sec with 10 damage per shot. Finally start with 250 health but have it trickle down to 100 like with the mega.

It'd probably also be a good idea to fix the bug in the QW code that causes the LG to be inconsistent for those that aren't blessed with a flatline'd netgraph. :)

The result will likely be fast action games where the agressive player has the ability to come out on top.

The result will be a piece of shit that noone wants.

is paradoks out of tournament or he is a double elimination tournament?

sega: Out of tournament. Only chAmp and Milton left.

str: You made your point, I think.. and it sucks! :P

hehe, champ has played duels for like the time duelmania3 has lasted?:D you whine him about him playing, and he wins every 6 year experienced duellers around here. gg xamp.

i agree with andy... all demo lovers can go watch prac games instead if u only wanna see +forward, fun/lol frags etc... imo tournaments is about 2 ppl doing there absolute best to win.. thats where the fun is..

ken: "You might want to be there every 30 secs when RA spawns"
ke?

Seems Ken is a quake expert! B>

there's nothing fun about hiding around the map like a sissy with miniscule balls. we play qw for a reason: it's not cs.

On theres plenty of fun in it. Maybe you, mister "anonymous" have never played under stressfull conditions (tournament, etc, whatever it may be), but whoever has I am sure will know what I'm talking about when I say the adrenaline rush you get playing qw under stressfull condition -- it is second to none.

And, obviously, you do everything in your power to win.

So he won again, a damn shame really. Didn't bother to watch this games...dunno if I will ever, since after I watched first serie xamp defenetly got on last place in my list of players from who I watch demos. If he wins final he'll be best dueler in europe?...haha yeah right. This is just tournament, but many knows whats the real situation out there. He is defenetly strong player (with cs), but how many of you would put him infront of players as Paradoks, griffin, Dag? I wouldn't defenetly. To me what you show to peoples when you play is most important thingy, not just win. So...gg? Yeah right! Be

"i can play +forward, i am so manly and tough!"

sedlo this isnt a contest of making beutiful frags.. go watch prac games instead.... or would u like a tournament when everyone gets to play a couple of games and then some judges can give them stylepoints?

BTW Xamp plays carefully, not camping.
Agree with andy(#25).

razor - lol, nice idea!!

HAHA!!!

Stylepoint tournament....

HMMMMMMM?!?!?!?!? What do you think!??!?! Sounds interesting

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STYLEPOINT TOURNAMENT RULES:

1) 5 points for a 120 damage, 35% shaft display in one burst (maybe a little option in KTPRO where it will display the LG% between +attack/-attack ?)
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2) 1 point for midair

3) 1 point for grenade direct

4) 1 point for sg/ssg/ng/sng kill

5) -100 points for telefrag (err... I mean 1 point)

6) 1 point for hard-to-do rocket jump (list to be made later)

7) 2 points for hard-to-do rocket jump done *manually*

8) 5 points for double-midair (rocket, rocket)

7) 10 points for double-midair (rocket, grenade or grenade, rocket)

8) 2 points for grenade-midair

etc..
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Phil I hope you're joking. :)

From a lot of the posts on here it seems people want QW to be some sort of ice dancing tournament, with marks given for style, flair, content etc etc blah blah.

although I just watched the ztndm3 demo...I think people are being especially hard on xamp because of all the Be and refusing to play when he's losing.

hehe... Well .... a style points tournament has NEVER been done (I don't think..)

So why not give it a try!?!?!?!?! It would sure produce some fun fucking demos. And it would settle the point of who is the COOLEST player... (Locktar would definitely come out from under his rock for this, I hope)

xamp in tights would by $tylish

My biggest upset with this duelmania-season must be the reppie vs. insane game.
Instead of seeing at least one "entertaining-to-watch"-player advance, we got none after the game.
Still, milton and xamp has fought hard for their place in the finals, so I can?t understand what all this whine is about.
Sure, I don?t enjoy a non-aggressive game merely as much as a tense action-game in a tournament myself, but as razor said, for you who prefer spectacular action, watch prac games instead.
I actually find at least miltons style quite fun to watch with decent aiming, good nonscript movement, good dm4/aerowalk-tactics and a nice balance between aggressive and non-aggressive gameplay.
I?m hoping for milton, but if xamp wins, then I think he?s a worthy winner.

ApoK

this gunna be another 500 comment demo? good , so let me add some more fuel to the fire , i fkn rpe nwbs k , i just rpe them 2ez4tv , xamp paradoks milton , any nwb that defies my will , will be shown how ez i rpe nwbs k , jesus christ , any nwb got a beef , 1v1. any nwb , think that they can take me? 1v1. any nwb that thinks they can fuck with hgc alltogether ? 1v1. ANY NWB THAT THINKS THEY ARE PRETTIER THEN ME , 1v1. i fucksgjdlajsoas0asju0oihfds ISTUFDASGASJAS OI FUCKING RPOE US STFU

haha $$$$$$ dvs

Poster #52: What a lame ass comment.

Apokalypze (you're gonna have to forgive me for not typing the capital letters, but it's too fuckin' complex): Agree with you, Milton's style is nice and fun to watch; seriously hope he kicks some butt.

what sort of mouse does xamp use?

ken, shut the fuck up. fkn respect dvs k.

swift: Devious abuses the usage of "abbreviations"; it looks very un-elite. :)

wtf nwb , ill show you abuse , 1v1 nwb , let me put on the lollerskatez and show you how its done k , mx $$$

paradoks or xamp are lucky they didnt have to play scenic this round , or i think it would have been a little 2ez k

I'll tell you a secret: You're not funny.

nwbs done way2ez k, ken PLS STFU AND GET ANOTHER JOB, instead of SUCKING UP TO PLAYERS mmmK

go back to cpma deviclausfagasaurus

comment nr 60: agreed

Why did Dare left the tournament ?
He definalety seemed in shape in the beginning of duelmania 3.

why reppie played and beat a good player and left ;/ that sucked. he shouldnt have eliminate insane if he was gonna be gone after that.

Would've gotten owned by XalibuR anyways. :P I'd have loved to see that match btw.

insane&reppie both left for holiday after that game so it didn't really matter.. i don't think it was a serious game because of that.

xhrl: timber vs reload on dm2 @ TGI was one of the funniest moments of the tourney ffs :>
Timber (who was very well known, Schroet Kommando etc)had said that he'd change his nick if reload beat him on dm2 - he got one frag (I think) at start and then hid.Best of all is when reload finally finds him (fullbrights weren't used in tourney) and owns his ass. Because of that loss, timber had to change nick to Bl4de because of his big mouth :>

Defensive games can be a real bore, but actually I hate to watch "fun" games even more. When there's nothing at stake, qw becomes just another mechanical repetition of reflex shots and moves. No nerve ...

Imo - duelmania3 finals lacked flair, but why that is I don't really know.